Hope Im not "trolling" here :) , I just cant hear a difference myslf

I have a high end system , SME 30 , triplanr ultimate , lyra titan , manley steelhead , CAD 211 AE mono tube amps (cary audio) and nautilus 802 (spkrs need upgrading I know ...Im looking at eidolons).

My dealer came around with £15k worth of wires(mains cables and interconnects).I had £50 worth of cabling in all my system at the time.There was no change in the sound at all and I still have the £50 wires.

I believe better spend the money on an upgrade of your source or even better on acoustic room treatments.People spending £5k on the syatem and £2k on wires are mad in my mind.

FACT:no one can tell the difference in wires in ABX double blind tests, although many people argue this methodology is invalid.But they never test a £5k system with £2k wires vs a £7k system , if they did Im sure the £7k system would win

FACT:there is lots of wire in your system already, are you gonna change that too ?

FACT:

I think spkr wire and mains cables definetely dont matter , interconnects Im not 100% sure.

The shunyata python was reviewed as making a huge difference to a system just by being plugged into an outlet in the kitchen and not even attached to an appliance by one respected reviewer.Didnt Ken Kessler long since refuse to review spkr cables anymore ?

http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm

I'd agree that if one is going to spend £2k on your system, unless you already have the seem to be an inefficient way to spend the cash!
I agree re. mains cables too.
On the face of it your system is clearly top notch, and one would imagine would present a good context in which to try out wires. As you heard no difference - clearly you made the right choice to stick with your £50 cables.

However...I do believe that I have heard differences between SOME (not all) interconnects in my system (my girlfriend did the swaps in a 'blind' test). Van den Hul to my ears were more 'detailed' (possibly bright) than QED and Chord Company (they sounded the same as freebies). Most recently I trialled NVA SSP cables which I hear as an improvement on the Van den Huls. Both the VdH and the NVAs are at the 'affordable' end of the wire world (around £100 - nowhere near 2k!). I cannot say whether yet more money would bring any differences / improvements.

Presumably in theory at least, shorter cables sound better than longer ones of the same type...?

DF

The interconnects job is simple, to ensure the signal that comes from the source gets to the destination in the same condition.
Simple rules, good conductive cable ( silver or copper ), good conductive connectors ( machined from solid copper ), and connectors that fit snugly onto the source/destination terminals.
Yes they can make a difference, but you dont need to spend a fortune to get good cables. I spent The shorter the cable the better.

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Richard,
Good to have your delicate toe dipped in this one. As always your informed input is most welcome here.
Can you clarify which pieces of the thread are "uninformed nonsence"?
Some of the previous comments in this and other threads do appear to tie in with your thoughts. I am the first to admit that I am relatively technically uninformed, though I like to think that I am not (always) nonsensical.
As stated I agree that cables can be a cost effective upgrade, but to the uninformed, there are also a lot of charlatans that are selling bits of wire at ludicrous prices, and indeed, poor quality wine too.
DF

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Who wants sterile postings...?

But at the same time, thanks for clarifying!
What do you think would be a ball park cost figure for a 'good' "gain stage interface"? Not £2k surely...?!
DF

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Richard,

Many thanks for your kind words Richard.
I still think the interconnects job is simple, to reproduce the source signal at the destination end.
But as you have so kindly written in your previous post "it shows a complete lack of understanding"

What do I know - nonsense apparently !
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Audio 8,
Take it as impersonally as possible.
Richard is many things.
One of those is a grumpy old ******.
But I suspect that he is also rather cuddly in his spare time.
Everyone be assured your contributions are welcome and most valued!
Was it Milton who said "Debate is the road to knowledge [sic]"?
DF